The New Hampshire Primary

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[Eupher]

Well, I'm a performing musician so during the evening when many people are wrapped up in their Xbox, or Wii, or they're on Facebook, or they're putting together their model trains and such, my ass is in the practice room.

Last night was no exception, this despite the NH primary.

Not surprisingly, the liar Mitt Romney "won". I say "not surprisingly" as he's the former governor of Taxachusetts, the only state/commonwealth in the union that has single-payer, mandatory health insurance that he himself signed into law.

It would appear that NH is *******-buddy-deep in with their neighbor to the south, and thus have the false sense of security that Romney brings to the party.

Lest you think I'm too tough on good ol' Mitt, let me explain why I call him a liar.

I was living in Salt Lake City, Utah, during the 2002 Olympics. I saw first hand what had been done in preparation for those Olympics, what occurred at the 11th hour, 59th minute (the SLC Organizing Committee was outed on doing what ALL Olympic committees do -- provide gifts and other bribes to the International Olympic Committee (IOC))--and the two honchos were fired as a result.

In waltzes Mitt, claiming that he, and he alone, "saved" the Olympics from certain doom and destruction.    What an asswipe. I guess he failed to see just how the entire infrastructure of the city had been updated and upgraded to handle the influx of traffic and mass of humanity that were poised to descend on the city; I suppose it didn't matter the extent to which the various venues had been similarly upgraded and updated, transportation arranged, and all manner of care and feeding of tens of thousands of cheering onlookers.

To hear Mitt and the MSM talk, you'd think this sorry ******* walks on water.

That's just a small example of my total disaffection with the chump that the media has determined will be the "Republican" nominee to run against Lord Barry.

Give me a ****ing break.

Romney is no more a Republican than Nancy Pelousy is. Not only has he seen fit to bring in RomneyCare into Taxachusetts, thereby providing the model that Lord Barry et. al. have used in the form of ObamaCare, but he's waffled on abortion; he supported the ethanol subsidy in May, then decided he'd take another look at it in October; and he's refused to support the same law that Wisconsin and Ohio enacted that curtailed or eliminated the right of public employees' collective bargaining.

If there's anyone who doubts that Romney is a RINO simply isn't paying attention.

Yet the MSM has him painted as the next Republican Messiah.

The last time that happened, we got John McLame.

And just how did that work out for us, eh?
 

[Salba]

Eupher:

We can't, the United States, afford another 4 years of this Constitutionally challenged administration of President Obama.  Bottom line.

Regardless of how you feel about the front runner on the Republican side - it is clear, no matter how personally distasteful to you, that Governor Rommey is the probable winner.  All the not-Mitt's, could NOT decide on whom to support.  Call it what you will - shooting yourself in the foot - or whatever and look inward my friend.

There is NO candidate in this group that I'm excited about!  They all have some good points and some things I differ with them on.  Candidates I could have been excited about didn' run. But back to the bottom line... regardless of who wins the republican nomination - I will VOTE for him or her - because 2012 is the MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION of my lifetime. 

We the people, have to make a choice of what we what in our government.

Do we want four more years of gridlock?
Do we want four more years of illegal, unconstitutional abuse of executive authority?
Do we want four more years of our government using EPA/DHS/HHS executive rule making to bypass the normal process of passing bills?
Do we want a government spending trillions, picking winners and losers (poorly I might add) amongst their friends and enemies?
Do we want to keep expanding the nanny state, spending trillions to buy votes, bankrupting our kids and grandkids future?
Do we want the government in our bedrooms, our kitchen cabinets, our vehicles, our exercise regimes, our purchase choices or non-choices?
Do we want the government to confiscate our guns, our properties, or hard earn dollars...  isn't over 50% enough all ready?
Do we want to pass what little the government leaves us to our kids - or have Uncle Sam spend it on foreign adventures, utopian windmills, and bribes for votes?

I have seen Europe socialism - if I wanted that I'd move there?
I have seen Croney dictatorships - Cuba, Philippines, Many South American countries - if I wanted that I'd move there?

So, my friend, make a choice.  Don't do Obama's work for him.

A few more points, from my perspective...

McCain could have won not withstanding the financial meltdown.  He was leading and it would have been another squeaker; however, the meltdown did happen - Bush fatigue was real - Democrat anger/angst and turnout was real - too many people voted for "a black man" instead of a "president"; too many people got sucked into the Hope and Change allure and failed to examine the reality of the man behind the words and we're paying the price for it today.  I don't know whom you supported the last election - but I'm willing to speculate that no matter who had the Republican nominee - the times and events would have ended in the same results.  Given that - we'd have been better off if Hilliary had won the democrat nomination IMHO.

The Olympics - I wasn't there - but using that to call Govern0r Romney a liar is weak my friend.  He's NOT the one who self-claimed to be hero and saved the Olympics.  That was, is, and will be a widespread judgment that was made by many others (news organizations, committee members, nations).  Is he using it - of course he is!  As would I or you if we were running. 

Given my druthers, I'd prefer another nominee... especially since Governor Romney has finger prints on Obamacare predecessor in MA. and I am 100% against national health care, mandatory insurance rules, and goverrment panels picking and choosing what medical procedures I may obtain!  I don't have that luxury however... it's support him or hand the election to Obama and bend over and take it some more...  MY CHOICE is easy... but to spell it out -  I WILL NOT BEND OVER and TAKE IT ANYMORE!

Enuf Said
Best Wishes and nice to see you back on boards

[Eupher]

Salba,

Yeah, it's good to poke my head in and will try to do it a little more often that I have of late.

Do not misunderstand.

Throughout the primary process, that is the time to identify with a candidate that reflects my own stance on the issues.

As far as I'm concerned, Mitt Romney is a 100% white version of Lord Zero. He is no conservative in any way, shape or form.

And I've juggled and examined the candidates. I'm not excited about them either, but just for the sake of illustration I'll give you a short summary on each:

Newt Gingrich - a Washington insider, scoundrel, prima donna, and egomaniac. His economic plan, while it sounds good on paper, does not have the courage of his convictions because of the proposed 15% flat tax. Flat tax proposals are a death knell, and he knows it. So he pussifies it by offering an "option."

"Option," my ass. I call that a failure to make a decision.

Rick Santorum - I respect him, but he's a failed senator for a reason. He's too socially conservative for me, but the real showstopper is his insistence on TRIPLING the tax credit for kids. Bull****. That kind of government subsidy is just as egregious as ethanol, NEA, and the rest of the crap that passes for "worthy causes."

Rick Perry - he'd never defeat Obama. Period. And his economic plan fits on a postcard - the same size that you and I would need to file another weak-kneed "optional" tax return -- that is, the option to file a standard tax return or the 20% flat tax that he pimps. Another failure of conviction here.

Jon Huntsman - just another Utah RINO. No substance, no background, and no hope of getting any.

Ron Paul, aka "Dr. Nutz" - an absolute fruitcake and another one who simply doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of defeating Barry.

So that leaves me holding my nose and pulling the lever for Newt, because I see him as being the only one who's remotely possible in beating Barry.

Why do you think the MSM is pimping Romney so much, and is actually preselecting him as the Repub candidate? Because they (Barry and Mitt) are two peas in a pod. Mitt has more oil in his hair, and is white, otherwise they're pretty much the same in terms of political intentions and leanings.

All this said, at the end of the Republican National Convention, when the nominee is called, that's who I'm going to vote for.

I am not one to split votes or to go after a so-called independent because that kind of thing serves Barry more than actually win an election.

Above everything -- Obama must go. Period. Whatever it takes, HE.    MUST.      GO.

[Salba]

Fair enough, my friend...  turn about

Romney is a "manager" not a leader.  He doesn't put fire in my belly nor do I believe he has strong convictions about many things.  However - after 4 years of mismanagement, ideological abuse, and piss poor leadership in Washington D.C. - I will gladly settle for a compentent manager in the "first seat" as we start the process of pulling back from the abyss... it's a start -

My hope and change for 2012 - is that a conservative HOUSE with a divided but more conservative Senate will be the engine that allows a Manager to downsize, reduce, and fire as needed our bloated federal government rolls and budgets.

Gingrich is an idea man (both good and bad) - and certainly will be a firebrand to stoke the anger and generate far right enthusiasim.  But yes he's not an outsider, he is both a scoundrel and prima donna and certianly an egomaniac.  His nomination is a death knell to any hope of having moderates and disaffected libertarians/liberals support the GOP.  Can he win?  Perhaps... but only a narrow, 2000 type election where the conservative base comes out in large numbers and the liberal base/minority base/intellectual elite base stays home or indifferent to the election... and that - my friend ain't gonna happen.  OBAMA has too many chits to call in (expensively bought ones I might add) and too many folks who are going to hold their noses about his performance/economy and vote because of his skin color and/or dislike for his opponent.

Santorum - I both respect him and could support him.  He is too socially conservative for me (an ex-catholic myself) but this election isn't about social issues - it's about survival as a nation IMHO and his fiscal policies, small government mindset are a start... a necessary start.  He ain't perfect - he played the earmark game and supported some stuff as a Senator I wouldn't have.  But given the alternatives - if not Mitt than Rick is a saying I could live with.  However - I do believe his chances against Obama are worse than Mitts but better than Newts.

Paul - the most consistent politician in the race, and one of the most in D.C.  I can live with his economic goals and directions - and even if I disagree with some of his "maximum" libertarian stances - I trust that he couldn't get some of them through a conservative/Republican House/Senate (they aren't going to legalize hard drugs for example).  But I agree his foreign policy stuff is awful and he has NO CHANCE of defeating OBAMA nor of uniting the party behind him.  However, he is the spoiler - if he runs Libertarian third party he becomes the PEROT/ANDERSON/WALLACE/NADAR of 2012 and hands the election to OBAMA.  My hope is he chooses to stay within the party - and take on an important voice/role in the next Republican administration - perhpas as a "CZAR lol" to dismantle 2 or 3 of the agencies he's identified should go (like Education or EPA).

Perry - non-factor, can't win party or election.  Should have kept his head down in Texas as big fish in small pond.  Wasn't ready for prime time - and now while drowning is floundering with nutty idea (part time congress for example) and may be taking party down with him (like Newt) in trying to step on shoulders of others to save himself. 

Huntsman - differ with you... he's another Romney manager type, he does have substance but in small pond (Utah) - I don't hold China/Obama post against him - he was serving his nation NOT just Obama and I to would likely respond to a request from my CinC if it wasn't illegal, immoral, or unethical to serve him.  He is a fiscal conservative (plus), social moderate similiar to me.  So when you say RINO (although last Democrat I supported on Presidential level was JFK).. you're talking about me too.  I could live with him BUT I don't think he can win.  If the party can't support Romney - they will not support Huntsman either.  Huntsman by religion, wealth, experience, and demeanor is just another Romney lite without the business experience/argument of Romney IMHO.    He can't win in the party or in 2012.

Who would I have liked to seen run?

Jeb Bush.  I like Jeb.  Strong fiscal conservative. Strong on national defense.  Good on diversity/equal opportunity/immigration - he lives the life, the melting pot if you will.  Good on education, taxes, spending. Always was my opinion that he was the Governor Bush that should have run in 2000 not his brother.  BUT - like CLINTON - the name dooms him and I don't blame him for not putting his family through this again.  It's too soon.  If Obama wins in 2012 - I suspect he'll be a player in 2016 (as may be others like Christie, Daniels, Jindel, etc).

If Romney wins nomination - I'd like to see him put Santorum, Balbour, Rubio or another strong fiscal conservative on the ballot as V.P.   No gimicks like McCain's Palin (although some would say that about Rubio) - but a conservative minority wouldn't hurt if they had the bonafides because OBAMA can't win if he doesn't get as much if not more minority/liberal/union votes as he did last time.

So we're closer than we might have thought - I don't want to hold my nose for Newt so I'm routing for Mitt and if not Mitt than Rick.

Best Wishes
Sonny

[Eupher]

Interesting discussion and I agree with you on most of your points.

I know you're a strong immigration guy -- we've discussed that topic in the past.

I see Romney as little more than another Obama who has slicked-back oily hair. I see him as a progressive -- in fact, he himself has said so. (And a "progressive" in my book ain't a good thing.)

I don't see him as a manager or a leader, but if he is a manager as you're suggesting, we've got an entire Washington DC filled with those types. We need a LEADER and one who can galvanize, inspire, and draw people together. Romney would merely continue the status quo of spending and maintaining the bloated government and we'd never, ever get Obamacare repealed or even significantly reformed.

Far, far too many people thought that Obama was that leader, but it turned out he's not much more than an empty suit.

I lived in SLC from 2000 to 2004. Jon Huntsman wasn't known to me at that time, but the Huntsman name is well known. Definitely politically connected, but he's far, far too liberal for my tastes. And I see him as every bit the two-bit player that you're saying Rick Perry is.

I'd agree with you about Jeb Bush. A solid citizen/conservative and a good performance record in Florida. But a third Bush? No way.

I differ with you in a couple of areas -- there is no way in HELL I'd ever work for Obama under any circumstances, short of a military recall. And that ain't gonna happen. Even if I were qualified for some sort of government gig as a political appointee, Obama can kiss my ass. I wouldn't give him the time of day.

The VP gig is essentially meaningless unless, like with GWB, the Veep himself puts conditions of his employment on the prez and the prez agrees with them. That's how **** Cheney got to be a principal in the administration -- he insisted on it.

But Rubio has already said, "No way, Jose" so he's out. Not sure about Santorum, though he might accept if an offer were extended his way. After all, he's got a boatload of kids and needs the bucks!